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Post by Dgephri on Apr 19, 2024 23:05:06 GMT
Yes I'm involved, but I still want 10. Lining my pantry.
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Post by BoxGods on Apr 19, 2024 23:10:43 GMT
Yes I'm involved, but I still want 10. Lining my pantry. You only ever drink Scotch man...what are you going to do with 10?
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Post by Dgephri on Apr 19, 2024 23:15:53 GMT
Yes I'm involved, but I still want 10. Lining my pantry. You only ever drink Scotch man...what are you going to do with 10? Cask strength, Tibetan, local blend, varietals.
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Post by phatdaddy on Apr 20, 2024 0:40:23 GMT
This is an alternative option for the spice rack tubes. They are 2.3 inches in diameter and about 10 inches tall. Capacity is about 18 ounces. Magnetic. Screw on tops with rubber seals. You can fit two per tube. Maybe Two bottles in one tube and 4 spices in the other...whatever combination works for you on a particular trip. Could use them for syrups or drink mixes etc. also. I like the idea. I’d be in for a couple.
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Post by skivian on Apr 20, 2024 3:56:43 GMT
This is an alternative option for the spice rack tubes. They are 2.3 inches in diameter and about 10 inches tall. Capacity is about 18 ounces. Magnetic. Screw on tops with rubber seals. View Attachment View AttachmentYou can fit two per tube. Maybe Two bottles in one tube and 4 spices in the other...whatever combination works for you on a particular trip. Could use them for syrups or drink mixes etc. also. Yes, I’d be in for these.
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Post by BoxGods on Apr 21, 2024 0:49:27 GMT
Update for those interested in the process. I spent the day working on the BOA (Bill of Assembly) for the fold out drawer module. Figured while I had everything open I would whip up some renders for you guys. Bill of Assembly basically means the order that everything will be assembled at the factory and is how the assembly costs are calculated. This is the stage where my design ideas are being "tested" for manufacturing feasibility. It might be more accurate to say they are being more stringently tested as you always have manufacturing in mind while the design progresses. There will be small (hopefully) changes here and there as the different disciplines in the factory evaluate the drawings. As an example, I know the sheet metal guys are going to have a cow when they see what I want for the aluminum bottom shell. They will insist it can't be done and I will argue it can, and we will end up somewhere in the middle. As it currently stands, the assembled carcass as shown weighs about 17.5 kg or 38.5 pounds. I'm REALLY happy with that but I'm not sure we have the budget for all the extra CNC pocket machining I've included for weight reduction. We'll see. If you look closely you can see some of the plumbing and electrical subsystems and the mechanical systems for the support leg storage and the spice rack / booze storage module. It's getting harder for me to keep my excitement in check =) If you have any questions let me know.
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Post by phatdaddy on Apr 21, 2024 3:56:37 GMT
Resolution of the images didn’t allow me to make out much detail when zoomed in on my tablet. Other images you've shared previously allowed greater zoomed detail resolution. But not sure I would have much to say if I had been able to see greater detail… other than “Wow… cool!”. So looks good to me 👌
edit: resolution got ‘resolved’ - detail now visible… must have been something on my end. So… Wow… cool! 😉
Any chance you could post a render with the kitchen folded as it would be stored in the gear tunnel?
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Post by BoxGods on Apr 21, 2024 6:03:40 GMT
Resolution of the images didn’t allow me to make out much detail when zoomed in on my tablet. Other images you've shared previously allowed greater zoomed detail resolution. But not sure I would have much to say if I had been able to see greater detail… other than “Wow… cool!”. So looks good to me 👌 edit: resolution got ‘resolved’ - detail now visible… must have been something on my end. So… Wow… cool! 😉 Any chance you could post a render with the kitchen folded as it would be stored in the gear tunnel? Yeah I will be soon.
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Post by BoxGods on Apr 21, 2024 19:29:38 GMT
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Post by phatdaddy on Apr 22, 2024 10:38:00 GMT
Gene, this looks SO good! The engineering, materials and attention to detail checks all the boxes for an engineering mindset guy like me… while still so amazingly beyond what I had hoped for. And it looks SO solid! The 4 mounting screws on each side and the materials you’ve selected should make this feel like a true solid extension of the vehicle. The effort, coordination and thinking you’ve put toward this is SO appreciated - please ensure that is rewarded in your margin. In my experience, quality, customization and attention to detail like this is typically just not available to guys like me in the open market. OK, enough. Thanks. Couple questions… 1. Since the water supply connection protrudes from the side, I assume it is attached/detached from the kitchen module each time the module is loaded/unloaded into the utility tray? Obviously the hose/whatever externally connected to that piece would need to be detached each time the kitchen is slid back into the gear tunnel. Or does this entire supply connection use the ‘quick disconnect’ you previously mentioned? 2. Any chance there will be enough room below the cooktop somewhere among the ‘3 tubes’ to store the four handles so they don’t get misplaced? 3. I can’t make out in any of the images any kind of recess along the bottom of the drawers to serve as drawer handles. You may also just not have added this type of drawer detail yet. 4. You may have covered this way back, but when the kitchen module is not in the utility tray, is there a cap or cover to protect the power block from errant contact. If I am using it for tools and fasteners (typical), want to make sure I can’t easily drop a screw into a live connection. Thanks again man! So excited to see the progress.
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Post by BoxGods on Apr 22, 2024 15:29:37 GMT
Gene, this looks SO good! The engineering, materials and attention to detail checks all the boxes for an engineering mindset guy like me… while still so amazingly beyond what I had hoped for. And it looks SO solid! The 4 mounting screws on each side and the materials you’ve selected should make this feel like a true solid extension of the vehicle. The effort, coordination and thinking you’ve put toward this is SO appreciated - please ensure that is rewarded in your margin. In my experience, quality, customization and attention to detail like this is typically just not available to guys like me in the open market. OK, enough. Thanks. Couple questions… 1. Since the water supply connection protrudes from the side, I assume it is attached/detached from the kitchen module each time the module is loaded/unloaded into the utility tray? Obviously the hose/whatever externally connected to that piece would need to be detached each time the kitchen is slid back into the gear tunnel. Or does this entire supply connection use the ‘quick disconnect’ you previously mentioned? 2. Any chance there will be enough room below the cooktop somewhere among the ‘3 tubes’ to store the four handles so they don’t get misplaced? 3. I can’t make out in any of the images any kind of recess along the bottom of the drawers to serve as drawer handles. You may also just not have added this type of drawer detail yet. 4. You may have covered this way back, but when the kitchen module is not in the utility tray, is there a cap or cover to protect the power block from errant contact. If I am using it for tools and fasteners (typical), want to make sure I can’t easily drop a screw into a live connection. Thanks again man! So excited to see the progress. Thanks for the kind words--very much appreciated =) 1. I probably shouldn't have left the hose QD (quick disconnect) on for the renders. The female for the QD lives inside the kitchen. The male QD you see is attached to the hose that runs to the frunk. It's in the renders because its a step in the installation process to confirm it hooks up OK--better to find an issue in your driveway after the install than 100 miles from home at your camp site. 2. The kitchen will ship in a wooden crate and I'm going to specify the crate has reusable clasps so people can safely store the kitchen in the crate when its not in the truck. I think that is maybe a more logical place to store the handles? Maybe inside a small draw-string bag? 3. My default setting is minimalist so my personal preference is no drawer hardware on the drawer faces. I'm also not a fan of holes in the drawer faces where they can be avoided. That leaves the bottoms of the drawers for a small finger catch of some sort. All of the above being said, the group may opt to go a different direction. When we get to that point I will render a few different options and everyone can vote. 4. This one is a bit more tricky. There is a sort of "allure" to the idea of dropping the kitchen into the utility tray and the power being automatically connected, and I know it is a feature that will appeal to some. To be candid, my engineering brain viewed that challenge as a way to "flex" or show off a bit. My product designer brain that tends to focus more on the user interface is not as impressed. My first concern is the safety issue you mentioned. The instructions will VERY clearly mention (in multiple places) that you must unplug the power cord for the Utility Tray before switching from the outlet to the power transfer block. It is as simple as unplugging the power cord from the trucks 120 outlet. Its 4 screws out to remove the outlet block and 4 screws in to secure the power transfer block. They are modular and there is an alignment pin that prevents installing either incorrectly. Quite simple and about 3 to 5 minutes. My second concern is that the power transfer block connects to a distribution box inside the kitchen. If we go this route the cooktop will be connected to this box with spade connectors. To be clear, this connection would be done at the factory and isn't something end users would have to mess with. The only potential downside is if the end user ever wants to use the cooktop outside the kitchen--in the back yard or as a hot plate at a buffet as just two examples. Because the power cord has spade connectors you can't just plug it into the wall or an extension cord. If the cooktop ever needs to be serviced or replaced you can't just unplug it from the kitchen either. You need to remove 4 screws from the connection box cover, then unplug the three spade connectors. All of these are small / simple things and I doubt many people will ever use the cooktop outside the kitchen. The alternative is to leave the male 120V plug on the cooktop power cable, and to leave the 120V outlet in the Utility Tray. After you have dropped the kitchen into the Utility Tray, you lift up one end of the cooktop and reach in and plug in the power cord. I was thinking you could use one of THESE to lift the top. My concern is that most people won't know the logic that went into going this route and will view plugging the cooktop in as kind of cheesy. As always, questions and comments are welcome.
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Post by zac on Apr 22, 2024 18:00:41 GMT
I like the idea of dropping the kitchen in and having it powered. If you want to use a cooktop separately, you can buy one inexpensively.
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Post by phatdaddy on Apr 22, 2024 18:33:58 GMT
I like the reusable shipping/storage crate idea a lot. My vote would be no drawer handle hardware or holes… just an indentation to grasp on the bottom edge. Re: power to the kitchen… While I also like the idea of “dropping the kitchen in and having it powered”, I had always assumed the cooktop would need to be plugged in once the kitchen module was installed. I also assumed there would be at least one outlet accessible somewhere on the kitchen (surface?) for easy plug in access of whatever accessories might be needed - with the understanding that if the cooktop was in use, power management for that extra outlet would need to be monitored/managed by the user to avoid overload. I guess I imagined one outlet for the cooktop (probably under the counter top) and one other somewhere else more easily user accessible. Aside from the issue you mentioned (that if the cooktop is ‘hardwired’ to a distribution block as opposed to plugged, it would not be easily able to be used separate from the kitchen), I would think that servicing and replacement - especially a warranty replacement - would be much easier if the cooktop was a plug-in component.
Since the last I heard the utility tray was going to slide out to either side, is there a mechanism to prevent that when the Kitchen module is in the tray?
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Post by BoxGods on Apr 22, 2024 23:57:43 GMT
I like the reusable shipping/storage crate idea a lot. My vote would be no drawer handle hardware or holes… just an indentation to grasp on the bottom edge. Re: power to the kitchen… While I also like the idea of “dropping the kitchen in and having it powered”, I had always assumed the cooktop would need to be plugged in once the kitchen module was installed. I also assumed there would be at least one outlet accessible somewhere on the kitchen (surface?) for easy plug in access of whatever accessories might be needed - with the understanding that if the cooktop was in use, power management for that extra outlet would need to be monitored/managed by the user to avoid overload. I guess I imagined one outlet for the cooktop (probably under the counter top) and one other somewhere else more easily user accessible. Aside from the issue you mentioned (that if the cooktop is ‘hardwired’ to a distribution block as opposed to plugged, it would not be easily able to be used separate from the kitchen), I would think that servicing and replacement - especially a warranty replacement - would be much easier if the cooktop was a plug-in component. Since the last I heard the utility tray was going to slide out to either side, is there a mechanism to prevent that when the Kitchen module is in the tray? There is an outlet for other items to be plugged into. Its on the opposite end from the cooktop. The tray can still slide out both sides with the kitchen installed. Electrically there is no reason it shouldn't so I may not be understanding your question.
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Post by phatdaddy on Apr 23, 2024 2:43:59 GMT
OK, if the kitchen can be slid out either side (even if not typical), that is cool. Just thought it might damage something if slid the wrong direction. And now I recall seeing the second plug for the kitchen… perfect. Thanks
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