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Post by camaroz1985 on Apr 23, 2024 20:45:50 GMT
Automatically connecting to power when installing the kitchen is nice, but definitely not a necessity. I think manually plugging in a cable is cheaper, and more reliable in the long run (than a custom made power transfer block). It would also mean not having to change over to the outlet when going back to tray mode if you wanted to use both outlets.
Also late to chime in, but I like the beverage containers and the spice tubes. I would say ship with the spice tubes and sell the beverage containers in pairs as an add-on, then users can mix and match to suit their needs.
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Post by BoxGods on Apr 23, 2024 23:08:00 GMT
OK, if the kitchen can be slid out either side (even if not typical), that is cool. Just thought it might damage something if slid the wrong direction. And now I recall seeing the second plug for the kitchen… perfect. Thanks Just to be EXTRA clear. You CAN slide the kitchen out either side, and it will be powered slid out either side, but if you have the fold out drawer module installed it can't be folded out unless the kitchen is deployed from the right / drivers side of the truck. I mention this because I am going to be including caps for the hinge locations on the kitchen so there are two use "modes". Basically you can use just the kitchen, or you can use the kitchen with the fold out drawer module. If its just a couples trip or a quick long weekend trip, or you're "fast camping", you may not need the fold out. If its more than 2 people or a longer camping trip you may want to bring the fold out. Options are good =)
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Post by BoxGods on Apr 23, 2024 23:12:02 GMT
Automatically connecting to power when installing the kitchen is nice, but definitely not a necessity. I think manually plugging in a cable is cheaper, and more reliable in the long run (than a custom made power transfer block). It would also mean not having to change over to the outlet when going back to tray mode if you wanted to use both outlets. Also late to chime in, but I like the beverage containers and the spice tubes. I would say ship with the spice tubes and sell the beverage containers in pairs as an add-on, then users can mix and match to suit their needs. I'm leaning this way myself. My only concern is that in order to plug the cook top in you need to lift one end of it. It's not a big deal in practice, but perception (assumptions people have before they try it) can play a role.
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Post by leonbmx on Apr 23, 2024 23:55:31 GMT
I'm REALLY happy with that but I'm not sure we have the budget for all the extra CNC pocket machining I've included for weight reduction. We'll see. The CNC pockets stay, or I leave!! Lighter weight means more range means money well spent.
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Post by BoxGods on Apr 24, 2024 1:18:44 GMT
To save anyone asking what I meant in the post above about couple camping or fast camping "mode" and the hinge caps. As an example, where we live there are hundreds of miles of beaches. We are also close to Space X and watching Star Ship launches from the beach would be great fun. My kids are grown so it is just the two of us. For an overnight camp to watch launches from Star Base, or long weekend fast camps down the coast, we don't really need the fold out drawer module. For longer trips or if my Son or his kids are tagging along then the fold out would be useful.
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Post by phatdaddy on Apr 24, 2024 4:38:54 GMT
I think providing an option of detaching and leaving behind the fold out drawers when/if desired is a great idea. And especially, if I understand correctly, if on a given trip choosing the kitchen module without the drawers would allow me to deploy the kitchen from the opposite side of the vehicle. There could be instances where just that ‘opposite side deployment’ option could make a difference in my ability to use the kitchen at all in a specific parking situation.
As you noted earlier: “Options are good =)”
And re: ‘CNC pockets’ (whatever the heck they are), while I might not express it as strongly as LEONBMX did, I also would ask for lowest possible weigh and highest possible quality… even if it stretches the original budget. From my perspective this is an absolutely awesome unique custom accessory that I was privileged to actually feel a sense of participation in the design of. That is something I could not possibly find anywhere else at anything close to this cost. So, just like on my Rivian purchase, I don’t want to waste money, but I am not looking for the cheapest solution… I am looking for the best solution. I only plan to buy this baby once… and then use the hell out of it… and I want the best efficiency and longevity I can get.
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Post by BoxGods on Apr 24, 2024 5:34:00 GMT
I think providing an option of detaching and leaving behind the fold out drawers when/if desired is a great idea. And especially, if I understand correctly, if on a given trip choosing the kitchen module without the drawers would allow me to deploy the kitchen from the opposite side of the vehicle. There could be instances where just that ‘opposite side deployment’ option could make a difference in my ability to use the kitchen at all in a specific parking situation. As you noted earlier: “Options are good =)” And re: ‘CNC pockets’ (whatever the heck they are), while I might not express it as strongly as LEONBMX did, I also would ask for lowest possible weigh and highest possible quality… even if it stretches the original budget. From my perspective this is an absolutely awesome unique custom accessory that I was privileged to actually feel a sense of participation in the design of. That is something I could not possibly find anywhere else at anything close to this cost. So, just like on my Rivian purchase, I don’t want to waste money, but I am not looking for the cheapest solution… I am looking for the best solution. I only plan to buy this baby once… and then use the hell out of it… and I want the best efficiency and longevity I can get. You've basically summed up my design approach. I know I say this a lot, but just to be clear: The kitchen without the drawer module does work equally well out either side. but you need to decide if you are taking the drawer module or not when you load the kitchen for your trip--IOW you can't have the drawer module installed and then opt to not use it at your campsite. Also, the layout for the kitchen doesn't change and it is optimized for deployment out the right / passenger side. Sliding it out the left / drivers side will have the cooktop next to the truck which some people may not like. CNC machined pockets basically means you CNC machine away as much excess material as you can to decrease weight. In our case it is a 12mm (1/2 inch) aluminum counter top. Counterintuitively, this also usually makes the part stronger and stiffer. This is the bottom side of the drawer module counter top. The rectangles you see are 10mm deep. Significantly more than half of the material has been removed and is now on the floor of the machine shop. For perspective the drawer module structure is about 24 pounds before and 11.5 pounds after--so not an insignificant weight reduction. The cost increase is also not insignificant and comes from the CNC machine time. This process is common in race vehicles--cars and boats--and in spacecraft of course. Another example. These are actual parts for the utility tray as they come out of the CNC mill. They are 18mm (3/4 inch) thick and the pockets are 15mm deep. They are still raw meaning no finishing yet--nobody panic.
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Post by Dgephri on Apr 24, 2024 7:01:09 GMT
There are times I wish I had an R1T. My camping process has very little USE for the kitchen but it's just so awesome.
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Post by phatdaddy on Apr 24, 2024 11:36:41 GMT
…not an insignificant weight reduction. The cost increase is also not insignificant and comes from the CNC machine time. This process is common in race vehicles--cars and boats--and in spacecraft of course “…process is common in race vehicles… and in spacecraft…” Yeah… also absolutely awesome, unique and custom products. And the best most complete competing R1T kitchen option has the bulk of the product made of wood, where materials and similar CNC work for weight reduction is undoubtedly less expensive. No disrespect to those products, but it is still a lot of (not inexpensive) wood. My vote remains ‘best value’ - highest quality and best longevity you can provide at the closest you can get to original budget estimates. If you have numbers and (all-in… including margin) they start looking like 30-40% higher than estimated, then do the best you can to communicate to the community the options you are willing to consider and the trade off estimates (cost, quality, weight AND time to deliver!)… and let the community vote. Otherwise… carry on and deliver as soon as feasible.
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Post by BoxGods on Apr 24, 2024 18:23:27 GMT
Let's talk about towel bars =) This one is 300mm (about 12 inches) long. It is tool free with magnets. Slide the ends into the holes till it clicks into place. I like the yellow as a way of picking up Rivian's design language with via their yellow trim. The nickel plated looks good with the black. I'm leaning towards the yellow because it stands out more so people are more likely to see it before they slide the kitchen back into the truck and bang into the towel bar. I'm normally not a logo guy and would make the logo much smaller, but this one is an ambigram and would still read correctly with the drawer module folded--which I admit I get a kick out of. I was also thinking of adding a few S type hooks--also tool free with magnets--to use as pot holders or whatever else people might want to hang.
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Post by phatman113 on Apr 24, 2024 19:30:28 GMT
The ambigram is awesome. Hooks are almost always useful and could just utilize some convenient holes in the kitchen. You might not even need to supply the hooks, if you made the holes pretty universal, they sell them for BBQ grills and stuff.
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Post by atraf on Apr 24, 2024 21:34:42 GMT
There are times I wish I had an R1T. My camping process has very little USE for the kitchen but it's just so awesome. I was literally going to write oh how I wish R1S was R1T's length due to also having a gear tunnel so I could take advantage of this awesome kitchen ... and I don't care if physics gets in the way haha This looks so good!
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Post by zac on Apr 24, 2024 21:54:57 GMT
Let's talk about towel bars =) This one is 300mm (about 12 inches) long. It is tool free with magnets. Slide the ends into the holes till it clicks into place. I like the yellow as a way of picking up Rivian's design language with via their yellow trim. The nickel plated looks good with the black. I'm leaning towards the yellow because it stands out more so people are more likely to see it before they slide the kitchen back into the truck and bang into the towel bar. I'm normally not a logo guy and would make the logo much smaller, but this one is an ambigram and would still read correctly with the drawer module folded--which I admit I get a kick out of. View Attachment View Attachment View Attachment View AttachmentI was also thinking of adding a few S type hooks--also tool free with magnets--to use as pot holders or whatever else people might want to hang. I think yellow looks good. How does it look with the bamboo drawers? I love the idea of some S-type hooks. You can hang a trash bag, grill tongs, S'more sticks, etc. The more places you have to put stuff, the better.
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Post by BoxGods on Apr 25, 2024 19:38:35 GMT
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Post by jcreviston on Apr 25, 2024 21:19:10 GMT
This project is blowing my mind. Love your work and really appreciate your involving the community so much. Proud owner of the W[=0===0=]TR and can't wait to take this for a spin. Keep up the good work!
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