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Post by BoxGods on Nov 20, 2023 20:21:47 GMT
Similar to Leon, I'm ok with either, but I'm not sure I see the benefit of the aluminum for the higher cost... Your tank is plastic, so if you're throwing something in the frunk that's going to damage the pump, you'll likely be worried about damaging the tank too... IMO the basic L bracket with the pump exposed is plenty strong, but I also understand that perception is king. I think people are not just concerned with setting something on top of the pump, but also something sliding across the tank and bumping into an "unprotected" or exposed pump. For me personally the cleaner more polished aesthetic would be a potential plus but I'm also cool with the more mechanical look of the exposed pump. The covered pump is a much simpler "drop in" replacement which is a plus for most people. If the pump cover lowers the sound level even 2 or 3 db that would also be a BIG win--I won't know until we test one though. I'm investigating one other option. Forged carbon. It's likely too expensive but it never hurts to get a few quotes just to be sure.
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Post by atraf on Nov 20, 2023 21:52:08 GMT
Similar to Leon, I'm ok with either, but I'm not sure I see the benefit of the aluminum for the higher cost... Your tank is plastic, so if you're throwing something in the frunk that's going to damage the pump, you'll likely be worried about damaging the tank too... IMO the basic L bracket with the pump exposed is plenty strong, but I also understand that perception is king. I think people are not just concerned with setting something on top of the pump, but also something sliding across the tank and bumping into an "unprotected" or exposed pump. For me personally the cleaner more polished aesthetic would be a potential plus but I'm also cool with the more mechanical look of the exposed pump. The covered pump is a much simpler "drop in" replacement which is a plus for most people. If the pump cover lowers the sound level even 2 or 3 db that would also be a BIG win--I won't know until we test one though. I'm investigating one other option. Forged carbon. It's likely too expensive but it never hurts to get a few quotes just to be sure. Probably an overkill but a man can dream: www.gerarddaniel.com/product/wire-cloth-wire-mesh/acoustic-mesh/ acoustic metal mesh to reduce the frequency of the pump, placed inside the metal enclosure... thoughts?
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Post by shift4 on Nov 20, 2023 22:27:39 GMT
+1 for aluminum. I assume those of us who already own the pump will be able to buy just the housing?
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Post by BoxGods on Nov 21, 2023 5:01:28 GMT
IMO the basic L bracket with the pump exposed is plenty strong, but I also understand that perception is king. I think people are not just concerned with setting something on top of the pump, but also something sliding across the tank and bumping into an "unprotected" or exposed pump. For me personally the cleaner more polished aesthetic would be a potential plus but I'm also cool with the more mechanical look of the exposed pump. The covered pump is a much simpler "drop in" replacement which is a plus for most people. If the pump cover lowers the sound level even 2 or 3 db that would also be a BIG win--I won't know until we test one though. I'm investigating one other option. Forged carbon. It's likely too expensive but it never hurts to get a few quotes just to be sure. Probably an overkill but a man can dream: www.gerarddaniel.com/product/wire-cloth-wire-mesh/acoustic-mesh/ acoustic metal mesh to reduce the frequency of the pump, placed inside the metal enclosure... thoughts? I was already going to try some regular foam...no idea on that super fancy stuff lol.
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Post by BoxGods on Nov 21, 2023 5:02:55 GMT
+1 for aluminum. I assume those of us who already own the pump will be able to buy just the housing? Sure. It will require some assembly for you guys though of course.
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Post by atraf on Nov 21, 2023 5:53:42 GMT
I was already going to try some regular foam...no idea on that super fancy stuff lol. If you get a quote I'd love to know how much it works out to 😅
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Post by BoxGods on Nov 21, 2023 16:54:54 GMT
I was already going to try some regular foam...no idea on that super fancy stuff lol. If you get a quote I'd love to know how much it works out to 😅 From their literature the mesh is designed for much higher db levels and high temp environments--think jet engines, high speed turbine pumps, etc. I will try to get some samples.
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Post by BoxGods on Nov 24, 2023 1:13:41 GMT
Update on the Seaflo 23 pump cover. I went ahead and designed another version that is more suitable for forged carbon fiber molding. I haven't sent it out for quotes yet, and I am a little hesitant to show you guys because if it turns out to be stupid expensive...going back to machined aluminum or ABS would be a bit of a let down as the forged carbon adds some really nice functionality. just as an FYI, the renders show more traditional bi-axial carbon fiber. I don't have a texture for forged carbon fiber unfortunately as it is (IMO) a fair bit "cooler" looking for this type of part. Just use your imagination =) First off, the shape can be more optimized than aluminum and that makes it look more OEM/automotive. I was able to add a 1/2" flange on the bottom for those wanting to use a frunk liner--the flange makes getting the cut out perfectly placed less important as it covers any small errors. Sort of like built in trim. I also used a molded in brass thread insert on the bottom which would replace the barb on our current design. You could then use a pickup hose similar to the fill port hoses that screw on--no hose clamps--and the spiral wire reinforcement lessens the chance of kinking. Much easier cleaner install for the end user, and it eliminates two potential failure points. There is also enough room internally to add a fair bit of open cell foam sound dampening foam.
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Post by mel6155 on Nov 25, 2023 15:17:51 GMT
I hope you proceed with this design. Looks excellent and the sound dampening would be a nice benefit. I'm probably in the minority but I don't care what it costs. This is my dream vehicle and I'm gonna equip it accordingly.
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Post by BoxGods on Dec 7, 2023 2:58:25 GMT
UPDATE on the forged carbon covers.
I got all the quotes back. Unfortunately too expensive.
The next step is to 3D print the machined aluminum version to confirm everything fits as intended. Then I will have a sample machined in aluminum to test sound levels. If that has a positive result I will open ordering and do a run when we hit 50 or so.
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Post by jmag on Dec 11, 2023 3:43:10 GMT
Been out of the country and seems I have a lot to catch up on. Received mine (THANKS!!!) Even got to show it off at an Arizona Rivian Club meetup with 26 Rivian owners all oohing and ahhing when they saw it in my frunk. Me and another owner who will be in the second run stood around answering questions and directing them this website. Hopefully, it generates some interest on this and the other upcoming products.
I haven't operated mine yet, but definitely like the idea of lowering any noise. Not sure I'd run the pump enough to worry about heat dissipation though. Does the pump heat up that quickly?
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Post by BoxGods on Dec 11, 2023 7:02:40 GMT
Been out of the country and seems I have a lot to catch up on. Received mine (THANKS!!!) Even got to show it off at an Arizona Rivian Club meetup with 26 Rivian owners all oohing and ahhing when they saw it in my frunk. Me and another owner who will be in the second run stood around answering questions and directing them this website. Hopefully, it generates some interest on this and the other upcoming products. I haven't operated mine yet, but definitely like the idea of lowering any noise. Not sure I'd run the pump enough to worry about heat dissipation though. Does the pump heat up that quickly? Thank you so much for helping to get the word out. We have zero advertising budget so we "live or die" on you guys telling your friends. Regarding heat you didn't mention which pump you have but I am assuming you mean the Seaflo 23 on demand pump, which has little to no issue with heating--one of the benefits of only running when the sprayer is depressed. Somewhat counterintuitively, the submerged pump can overheat even though it is submerged in water because it is running the entire time it has power--even if you're not spraying. The submerged pump will also work harder when it's running and not spraying. That is the reason the submersible has a duty or work cycle where you run it for no more than 15 minutes and then let it "rest" for 5 minutes.
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Post by stunna on Dec 13, 2023 16:52:59 GMT
I know a decision was already made, but just want to add another datapoint that sturdiness for cargo swaying/hitting the exposed area would be more of a concern for me than heat dissipation
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Post by BoxGods on Dec 14, 2023 10:31:55 GMT
I know a decision was already made, but just want to add another datapoint that sturdiness for cargo swaying/hitting the exposed area would be more of a concern for me than heat dissipation Performance wise machined aluminum, machined ABS or PVC, or forged carbon fiber are essentially the same. It really comes down to cost and the aesthetic. Machined PVC is the least expensive, machined aluminum is middle of the pack, and forged carbon fiber would obviously be the most expensive. For aesthetics fogged carbon is obviously the sexiest followed by aluminum with plastic being the most basic looking. All three would provide plenty of protection for the pump.
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Post by camaroz1985 on Dec 18, 2023 15:36:27 GMT
Thanks for the updates. I would definitely be interested in the Seaflo pump in housing.
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