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Post by BoxGods on Apr 1, 2023 15:31:52 GMT
Thoughtful. I'm concerned 2-3" is a pretty tight tolerance for the leg. Does this assume that one would nearly always have to have the truck at the same height i.e., adjust the truck's height to accommodate the leg brace's effective range/operability? I'm assuming it would be the lowest setting? I'm also envisioning backcountry scenarios where the truck is on a grade and the user needing to account for lesser/greater distance from kitchen to the ground. Lastly, if the non-adjustable part of the leg is a uniform length, is the 2-3" adjustable range impacted by tire and wheel variations? I love the breakaway set screws and encased umbrella holder but could see desiring more overall adjustable range for the leg. Thanks and hope this made sense. My thinking was that most people will lower the truck when they set up camp--if for no other reason than to make cab ingress/egress easier as well as (potentially) a bed mounted tent. You also want the kitchen counter at a "normal" height for ergonomics. There will also be a base plate to spread out the load which has two holes for optional plastic tent spikes. These would be for windy days--maybe at the beach--to keep the umbrella firmly planted. I had intended on adding another 2 or 3 inches of height adjustment there for the rare times people were on exceptionally uneven terrain.
I think it is easy to get carried away with things like this but I do agree that it is also better to have more adjustment available than you need than not enough.
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Post by BoxGods on Apr 2, 2023 5:44:49 GMT
I am reworking the cabinet / carcass and thought this would be a good time to show you guys where the support leg would be located. Please keep in mind that these images don't have the fold out drawer / basket "leaf" installed yet, or the truck side end cap, internal bulkheads,etc. If you're not sure what those are or where they go, refer to the OP in this thread. The goal here is to show how and where the design is evolving with more frequent updates, so these are not going to be a fully assembled unit. This should give you a better idea of where the support leg / umbrella mount is in relation to the cabinet. Again, the fold out drawer / basket "leaf" section isn't shown in these. Those of you who have been following the Camp Kitchen project from the start may have noticed the main drawer has been moved--as shown in these images. I like this arrangement for the drawer a lot better from a structural perspective, and it increases the drawer volume / capacity by about 25% which--for a project like this--is a huge gain. It also makes the drawer accessible without having to slide the kitchen out--perfect for those last minute stops at the grocery store on your way out of town.
You could also have a top for the drawer and use it as another place setting--probably more suited for children, but certainly functional. The drawer also has internal flanges or shoulders for an optional removable or slid-able organizer tray.
Comments / questions are welcome, as always.
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Post by bksnacker on Apr 2, 2023 17:53:20 GMT
Wow, this just keeps getting better. I love being able to access the drawer without pulling out the whole kitchen. A few questions:
- Looking at the utility tray post, it looks like the whole kitchen will be able to be pulled out when deployed. Is that right? Does the new design give more counter space than before?
- Could you make the top of the new drawer be able to accept a cutting board as an extra work surface?
- Could the support leg be part of the shuttle tray instead of being part of the inserts? Seems like a leg might be good for the tray in some scenarios. Maybe something like Rivian's original design? Just too pinchy? You could still have the hole for an umbrella either way (which I guess would need to pass through the tray). All that said, the leg design is pretty cool, especially with the foot option for soft ground.
Great work, very excited to see the final build of this one!
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Post by BoxGods on Apr 3, 2023 4:54:21 GMT
Wow, this just keeps getting better. I love being able to access the drawer without pulling out the whole kitchen. A few questions: - Looking at the utility tray post, it looks like the whole kitchen will be able to be pulled out when deployed. Is that right? Does the new design give more counter space than before? - Could you make the top of the new drawer be able to accept a cutting board as an extra work surface? - Could the support leg be part of the shuttle tray instead of being part of the inserts? Seems like a leg might be good for the tray in some scenarios. Maybe something like Rivian's original design? Just too pinchy? You could still have the hole for an umbrella either way (which I guess would need to pass through the tray). All that said, the leg design is pretty cool, especially with the foot option for soft ground. Great work, very excited to see the final build of this one! Full extension. As for more counter space I assume you mean the fold out leaf section being longer? It can be yes. I think it will depend on how people want to access the compartment on the other end of the pull out, and what they want that compartment to be used for. General storage? A cooler? Water? Do you want to be able to access it from the driver side? I mentioned an optional top for the drawer as an additional place setting, but it could be used as more work surface too I suppose. I really don't want to integrate the leg into the tray because it eats up so much space. You end up losing about a cubic foot of available volume which I know doesn't sound like much, but when you consider the cabinet carcass is roughly 5 cubic feet you're suddenly looking at 20%. I live in South Texas and the sun here can be brutal--especially on the beach or in open areas. Getting rained on isn't much fun either so the umbrella is an important feature. Lastly having a fold down leg in a failure mode could cause a lot of problems just getting the kitchen back into the gear tunnel--not a great situations to be in out in the wilderness. The tray portion WILL have a pass through hole for the leg so there isn't any reason I can think of that it wouldn't work just as well on the tray--for those that wanted it.
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Post by BoxGods on Apr 6, 2023 22:27:59 GMT
I just posted some information on the slide out utility tray thread that is also relevant to those of you watching the Camp Kitchen Project. You can read the post HERE.
Let me know if you have any questions.
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Post by Woto-Wootr on Jun 28, 2023 18:03:17 GMT
I like the redesign of the drawer!
I know you're busy with the water tank but do you have a rough time frame on when you're looking to get the camp kitchen out? e.g. end of Q3 2023 or sometime in Q4 2023
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Post by BoxGods on Jun 28, 2023 22:27:42 GMT
I like the redesign of the drawer! I know you're busy with the water tank but do you have a rough time frame on when you're looking to get the camp kitchen out? e.g. end of Q3 2023 or sometime in Q4 2023 I'm hoping / trying to have it ready by Oct-Nov.
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Post by phatdaddy on Jul 20, 2023 3:05:38 GMT
Pretty slick camp kitchen design out of a company called Thunderbolt Adventure Supply: www.thunderboltadventuresupply.com/products/camping-kitchenReason I bring it up was reference to use of ‘linear slides’, which was not something with which I was familiar and had not considered. Could the utility tray design (and by extension the camp kitchen) benefit from use of this technique/hardware (which you may have already considered)? Would it add anything to the existing design (weight capacity, lower slide hardware height, etc.). Just wondering. Thanks
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Post by BoxGods on Jul 20, 2023 14:47:11 GMT
Pretty slick camp kitchen design out of a company called Thunderbolt Adventure Supply: www.thunderboltadventuresupply.com/products/camping-kitchenReason I bring it up was reference to use of ‘linear slides’, which was not something with which I was familiar and had not considered. Could the utility tray design (and by extension the camp kitchen) benefit from use of this technique/hardware (which you may have already considered)? Would it add anything to the existing design (weight capacity, lower slide hardware height, etc.). Just wondering. Thanks The original design used linear rails. They worked OK but ultimately were just too hard to use for anyone that wasn't under 30 and in great shape. Or for anyone who tends to put a fair bit of "stuff" into the kitchen.
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Post by Woto-Wootr on Jul 21, 2023 3:39:55 GMT
Pretty slick camp kitchen design out of a company called Thunderbolt Adventure Supply: www.thunderboltadventuresupply.com/products/camping-kitchenReason I bring it up was reference to use of ‘linear slides’, which was not something with which I was familiar and had not considered. Could the utility tray design (and by extension the camp kitchen) benefit from use of this technique/hardware (which you may have already considered)? Would it add anything to the existing design (weight capacity, lower slide hardware height, etc.). Just wondering. Thanks They make a cool product but for the price + shipping, it's almost the same price as the Rivian Camp Kitchen but without the cooking set, utensils, water tank and faucet. I do like the fact it's modular and you can stack each section on top of each other to save floor space in the garage when not in use.
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Post by Woto-Wootr on Jul 21, 2023 3:44:39 GMT
Any chance to offer some sort of customizable foam inserts for the drawers? Something where we can cut out sections to hold pots/pans/dishes in place and prevent it from moving around/making noise while the vehicle is moving?
Similar to the cork inserts that Rivian had, which served this purpose.
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Post by BoxGods on Jul 21, 2023 14:55:08 GMT
Any chance to offer some sort of customizable foam inserts for the drawers? Something where we can cut out sections to hold pots/pans/dishes in place and prevent it from moving around/making noise while the vehicle is moving? Similar to the cork inserts that Rivian had, which served this purpose. There are modular foam blocks used for camera equipment and gun cases etc. that would work for that. If you haven't seen them, its basically a block of spongy foam that has cuts in a grid pattern with 1/4 or 1/2 inch squares that you can easily customize for whatever shape recesses you want. The drawers having sliding shelves will make that a lot easier also.
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Post by Woto-Wootr on Aug 2, 2023 23:49:16 GMT
With the umbrella being in the middle, will it get in the way if you have a roof top tent? Either on the bed or over the cabin.
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Post by Dean on Aug 16, 2023 21:03:27 GMT
My thinking was that most people will lower the truck when they set up camp--if for no other reason than to make cab ingress/egress easier as well as (potentially) a bed mounted tent. You also want the kitchen counter at a "normal" height for ergonomics. There will also be a base plate to spread out the load which has two holes for optional plastic tent spikes. These would be for windy days--maybe at the beach--to keep the umbrella firmly planted. I had intended on adding another 2 or 3 inches of height adjustment there for the rare times people were on exceptionally uneven terrain. I would have thought people will most likely be using camp mode leveling (I do each time as I have not found a level place yet). But what this means is that if they have no choice but to park their vehicle on a sideway slope you could end up in a position where the kitchen leg needs to extend beyond the max suspension height of the trunk.
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Post by BoxGods on Aug 16, 2023 21:45:39 GMT
My thinking was that most people will lower the truck when they set up camp--if for no other reason than to make cab ingress/egress easier as well as (potentially) a bed mounted tent. You also want the kitchen counter at a "normal" height for ergonomics. There will also be a base plate to spread out the load which has two holes for optional plastic tent spikes. These would be for windy days--maybe at the beach--to keep the umbrella firmly planted. I had intended on adding another 2 or 3 inches of height adjustment there for the rare times people were on exceptionally uneven terrain. I would have thought people will most likely be using camp mode leveling (I do each time as I have not found a level place yet). But what this means is that if they have no choice but to park their vehicle on a sideway slope you could end up in a position where the kitchen leg needs to extend beyond the max suspension height of the trunk. Agreed.
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